Anarchic Frontiers Minecraft Server

Last few days his issue with Conan seemed to be festering.
He said he quit, dumped all his loot to Jonin, but then stayed on, I came back to find him attacking new players on the ship, hitting them out of the beam so they could not beam down.  He was asked to stop, but continued, so I pearled him, then guess what he is still on ship doing same stuff.  No prison on survey.
after he went over board on calling conan more curse words, I removed him from global chat.

well crimson luna caught him leaving NC and perld him on AF I checked the snitch at voluntarist tower and see he tried to grief there too I put his perl where it belongs

I'm seeing a lot of BS reasons being listed for this imprisonment, so I'm going to address them. That I "attacked spellcaster unprovoked". Jonin, you were in chat when he asked me to perl him to the prison planet. You laughed in chat about it when it happened. So, if that's one of the reasons, it's one you decided retroactively. As for the noobs I'm supposed to have attacked otherwise, they attacked me first. Jonin also saw that. Should I have stopped killing him after a while? Probably. But Sav had already banned me from chat, and I didn't know whether or not they had actually stopped, as the dude kept starting to attack me again every time Jonin left. As for my "griefing" of AF, where's the list of what I am supposed to have griefed? Some sand blocks? That one sign? You want five sand blocks and a sign back? No. You were looking for an excuse. So I gave you one. Because I figured at least then people would come on and we would dialogue. But that's not what happened at all. Because now my wife is being told I'm just not willing to work it out.. by people who aren't willing to even speak to me.

I came here hoping to find friends. I put effort into everyone. I helped build. I asked about and invested in you personally, wrote stories, had conversations, dedicated hours.. and when I was shit on in return, yeah. I decided to be shitty back. Conan was crap to me. So I was crap to her. That's reciprocity. And everyone keeps siting "She's twelve!" That's right. Twelve. Not three. She understands when she's being shit to someone. Where is MY apology from her? Where is that? Everyone justified her behavior and that pissed me off. Where was my defense after being shit on? Instead I was told "You could just put her on ignore." By the same right, you could have put me on ignore if you didn't like what I said. And you did. But that wasn't enough.

The real problem was not a stack of stone or signs. Or a curse word and a pk. You don't want me here. You want to act like it's my choice to quit instead of just saying "quit". That I'm refusing to work it out. When the truth is none of you have even been trying to talk to me to do so. Work it out with people who won't speak to me? Who have already made up their minds? Who are making up lists of reasons out of things that weren't reasons when they happened? None of you are trying to understand, so I'll just give you what you want. I've already been told no one wants to speak to me and I'm not welcome anywhere. I came here to find friends. I did not. I'll move on.

the spellcaster guy is not the person you were perld for attacking it wan sanjuro and alphamage

Who attacked me first. I don't care to argue it anymore.

You LEFT global chat, I did not ban you until Later after you would not stop way later

I quit because I figured it was better to Choose to quit than to sit there with the ban threat looming over me. You don't get it.. You're not even trying to get it. You're still just trying to argue why you're in the right.

Fine. Sure. You're right. I'm wrong. You win.

You were busy griefing my shop today in the prison world, while your wife talked to us about how you could make amenzzz, hmmm  reformed are you?  Was that smart?  probably not.  We took your shit yesterday because we have vested time in you too, but when it became clear that no talking to you would change your path, I ignored you, yup, your killing new players on the ship trying to go to the world.  I WATCHED you continuously attack anyone trying to beam down.  I had to KILL you so people could run past you to beam down cause that world has no prison.  

What, you want a stack of stone back to fill it in? No. You're not asking that. You're just gloating about giving my stuff away. I know you're never letting me out of there. It would be true regardless of what I did from this point. You decided that yesterday. You're not my friends. And you want to feel justified in being rid of me. Yes. I got that.

giving what stuff away?  can you ask the voice in your head to calm down and not make stuff up for a moment?  Are you looking for allies or enemies?  no you should be fixing it, you broke it


DUDE you were so wrong yesterday.  I tried to talk to you, and you told me off.  Bam
I asked you calm down on global chat, and you just logged out, then Pm'd me, then started giving ALL your stuff to the guy you had been talking crap about.  That blew my mind.
You should have logged and got your self right, then explained your frustration with conan,
and you would have had allies. 
I'm not going to pretend to think you did not know better, your too well written.

a neutral party tired to mediate, I mean you could not ask for better any other server would just ban you.  BAM.   

All of this could have went away yesterday if you would have let people help you.
I even told you I did not want you to quit, but you laughed and mocked me.  What am I supposed to do with that? 

The voices in my head? You're going to speak down to me now too? If it wasn't constructive when I did it, don't do it yourself.

What exactly is my incentive for reparations supposed to be at this juncture with a group of people that have already ignored me, dislike me, aren't my friends, and have publicly said I won't be welcome? What effort would you put in to that group? I've tried to explain myself.. and you haven't addressed that at all.. fuck the god damn minecraft blocks. I tried to be a friend to you people. And when I was shit on, everyone defended the person doing it. And then when I gave it back.. I got what they should have.. And that, and this whole situation.. feels shitty.

I'm making smooth stone blocks to go fill it in with now, Sav.. It won't change a thing. But maybe it'll make Jonin not keep my stuff from my wife at least.

pointless arguing is not going to get this anywhere

i've been observing fynal's character closely since he's arrived here, i think he's a wildcard

there's no predicting what he'll do, one day he will write poetry, next day greif or attack something or somebody

there should be a list of facts that we all can follow in order to gain ground in this discussion

whoever pearled fynal on survey and AF list your reasons for doing so 1,2,3, and so on

No. I'm not a "wildcard". I didn't act randomly and for no reason, and I'm not contesting there having put me here. I have explained my reasons. I was just hoping to be understood.

He is pearled on both maps. 

I pearled him on Surveying map -
I logged into find new players asking for help stating he was knocking them out of the beam, i beamed up and yup, he was doing it, asked him to stop, he did not.  tagged him to stop, he did not, pearled him, but it only stops him from beaming down, so don't even think he noticed, he just kept attacking people new players, so I had to just kill him to allow players to run for the beam down. he would re-spawn and just keep attacking.  insane.  once they were safely down i left and secured the perl

I ignored you when you called me a pedo for sticking up for conan you were calling her a bitch and told her she should kill her self im not giving your stuff to your wife right now becuz it could be you on her account

and you already griefd NC once I checked the snitches at vlountarist oasis and you were trying to break blocks there and you were perld by Crimson_luna leaving NC the city you griefed once

Let's get some context on that instead of making it sound like I said she should, in real life, literally and physically end her mortal existence.

Some player made a comment about me pk "killing" Conan, as in hunting her down angrily in game, I then said "hopefully she'll kill herself." I think the distinction between allowing one's self to fall or starve in MineCraft and actually wishing a child would be pushed to literal real life suicide... is a pretty big and important difference. So, please stop equivocating the two. It was nasty to say, sure. It was not equal to what you are trying to equivocate it, no.

I was in the wrong for flipping out last night. I've not argued that. I'm still not arguing that. I just wanted to explain my reasons. But I see you're still just defending my attacker.

so what exactly is it you want at this point?

Just some acknowledgement. To be understood. That I came here to make friends, thought I had.. got shit on instead. Conan likes to say she's joking. But consistently day after day telling people they're stupid, worthless, pointless, and no one likes them is not a "joke". I tried to address it with her. No change. I tried to address it with everyone else. They defended it. Jonin most of all. So I finally fired back. And got a chat ban and told why I was the bad guy. It feels.. wrong. It feels shitty. That people who are supposed to be your friends don't stand up for you, but will for the person talking down to you. All I really want at this point is that acknowledged. I realize no one here is going to be my friend at this point and that they never were.. that MY apology will never come. And I feel stupid. And shitty. For having invested so much wasted time. And I feel bad for having lost it. But talking wasn't getting me heard.

Yesterday when this all started it seemed like you were just having a bad day, like something went wrong irl and you were frustrated.  But then you would not accept help, just seemed to want or need a fight.  Is there something else your really mad at? because all this just seemed so out of the blew.  Figure out what has you so mad, shake it off and think of a resolution

Kind of trivializing to put it that way. I've told you the reason. Jonin's said nothing about that reason. Where's Conan's apology? Where's her consequences?

Hello! So here's what happened with my first encounter with Fynal that I remember very vividly, of course, it just happened last night.  I beamed up to help escort my friend Mage that I just invited to the server over Skype.  When I beamed up, within 3 seconds I was attacked by Fynal when he still had all of his stuff. My instincts kicked in fast enough to kill him before I was murdered. I had 1 1/2 hearts and when he respawned, he continued punching me and I had half a heart. I beamed down, escaping his wrath. My god, I also just collected all of my building materials for a house I was going to start building once I find a good spot!  Meiva is beautiful by the way ^.^ smiley

Your friend attacked me first. I killed him before he could kill me. Then you both came back with weapons, so I attacked you both.
Maybe tell your friend not to pvp people in the teleport area.

My friend didn't even know where to GO at the time. He didn't even know you had to talk to the captains! He just joined 2 minutes before I even beamed up! Stop lying! :(

He fist punched me a couple times. Maybe he's young. Maybe he didn't know. I don't know. And I don't really care to debate it anymore.

Anyway, Conan apologized. Which I appreciate. I think that's as much resolution as I'm going to get. Sav, stone, signs, glowstone all replaced. I'll leave you guys be.

well I was on so your story has flaws fynal the first person to die was fynalslash and sanjuro says it was self defence, I came up there and seen fynal and alphamage fighting and perld them both then after talking to them ended up releasing them later when they beamed up you started attacking them in front of us and were repearld

really? your blaming Conan? And you can't take insults from a twelve year old? Take responsibility for your own action, and stop blaming everyone you can find.

Okay. I was in the wrong. Whatever you want. I don't care anymore. You're not even trying to tell me what a resolution would be. You're just trying to make sure I'm found in the wrong. So, sure. I'm in the wrong. That's... not even what I care about. Keep the stuff from my wife as restitution then.

That's right. 12. Not 3. She's a big girl. She's been wiping her own ass for years now. She's old enough to understand and choose her own behavior. It's not about "blaming". Or saying I'm in the right. Because I haven't done either of those. Jesus. I just wanted to stop being torn down.

did you ever ask her to stop?    :| :roll:

shes a child your an adult so whatever

"So whatever"? So any way she behaves towards an adult is excusable because she's a child?
Were we ever friends, Jonin? Is it okay for her to talk to me or anyone any way she wants because of her age? Should she not have apologized for treating others how she wouldn't want to be treated?

You know, she wasn't even the main Problem. THIS reaction from you and others was, as I explained. The "so whatever who cares if others are crappy to you" is not a response I expected from friends after trying several times to talk to them about it.

Who is it you think you're helping by proposing no solution except telling her it's okay to be shitty to others? It's not helping her. What is it you want, Jonin?

I'd take her behavior over yours yesterday, any day  
The reaction issue was ALL YOU OVER REACTED.

I tried to find out what happened!  
I tried to talk to you, and you told me Fuck you all.  Really? I just logged on.
You immediately would not take any help.

You could have said hey this really bothers me when you say this please stop, and that 12 year child would have stopped and if she did not we all would be like Hey he said he is not cool with it.  Geeze.

So you got pissed I asked you not to air all this in Global because you were getting out of control, and
all this in GLOBAL chat, that's right global chat is a privilege not a right, so I asked you, you got pissed and YOU left the global.  Grow the fuck up!

You are not stupid we were all willing to work this out and you have acted like an ass, and now that you pissed most people off, or they don't care with all YOUR bad behavior you are playing the victim.
while your wife is calmly and nicely trying to see what happened your dumb ass is in there digging up and messing up my shop.  You NEED allies, you are lucky you got her man!  Unacceptable, you know what your doing don't even say you fixed it cause huge cavity all under the top layer of stone you only put down.  I totally looked cause I figured with all this time on your hands you would cut corners.  :x

Okay. Fuck me. What do you want me to do, Savanah? Dig it back up, put solid stone all the way through? Apologize for my own flip out? I'm sorry I lost my shit. I haven't once said I was in the right. Just that I wanted someone to understand.

of course i would want it repair properly.

Okay. And what does Jonin want? I just want my wife to get my stuff at least.

I can't get it up with a pick. I'll have to blast the surface to fill it in. I'm sure I'll be seeing that mentioned as one more reason for my indefinite detention with more angry screenshots. So, just to clarify, you're saying to go ahead and do that to fill it in..

this is me coming out pubicly wich I already have saying it would bring me great joy if you quit

Is this acknowledgement that you're unwilling to work out ANY other form of resolution? Would my wife get my things? What does Conan want?

this is me doing what you told zombienerd to tell me to do you I don't know what your playing at so whatever

I'm not "playing at" anything. Are you truly unwilling to see any other resolution?

seems like everyone is mostly upset over harsh words

i will say my little piece and make of it what you will

me and conan also argued before, she also gets on my nerves, and i do think she would be better off if some on the server didn't shield her from the natural consequences of being a rude little girl... but they do.. and i can't make others treat someone else the way i want so instead i just ignore her

sometimes she is not as rude, so i don't ignore her then..

i don't get her, and i guess it isn't really my problem and im not going to fix it

i would recommend you do the same, just ignore her when she is being a jerk

don't be an even worse jerk in chat or you might get removed from global chat, that can only be exected, global chat is a privilege not a right, there is still local and private chat

if you want to bicker with her, do it in private chat, if you want others to treat her the same way as you think she should be treated.. well it isn't going to happen so there is nothing you can do there but give up on it


as far as lashing out at everyone else who just wanted more details.. yea, not very constructive.. but i guess you already know that ..

i am still willing to help if you can give us some reassurance that these outbursts won't continue to result in unpredictable possibly griefing behavior..

i get angry sometimes to and try to lay down some sweet justice, but i try not to cause any collateral damage and when i do i try to clean up the mess and restore confidence and trust.. i think you should make every effort to do the same if you want people to trust you

ultimately if people can't trust you, and you are too much of a wildcard, and possible risk or threat to property damage, which is the perception people are forming of you because of griefing nomad city, and now possibly killing newbs (which you may not have done but since it is becoming your word against theirs, and your word is rapidly losing value.. what are we to think?) it will be harder for people to be open to letting you out of prison

i will try to help if you actually want help, at this point though it still seems like tempers are flaring on all sides so i think i will have to wait to approach any possible resolution until everyone cools off

if it were more of a clear case, and you didn't keep losing your cool i would be more willing to directly intervene, but that isn't the situation..

do something wrong and play the victim huh?, he wasn't perld for what he said but what he did

Actually, Simon, Conan apologized and we squared up some time ago now.. Ironically, she has been the most mature and reasonable out of the bunch in this. Certainly more so than I was in my disproportionate response. Bad week + Raw nerve moment = bad decisions, and I'm sorry. I was actually hoping to talk to you more last night before you left, but that didn't happen..

Nobody's playing the victim, Jonin. I apologize for both what I said and did and... (this has got to be the dozenth time I'm saying this now) I never justified myself or said I was in the right. All I've been asking is what you want and what I can do, and maybe, for some acknowledgement that it's not very friendly to defend one's attacker, but punish them for dishing the same back. I shouldn't have said the things I did to you. Or her. And you shouldn't have told her it was okay to speak that same way to others. I thought we'd be able to agree on that much, and just see what can be done now.

you were perld for what you did not what your said I don't know why you don't understand that you don't wanna acknowledge what you did and act like we perld you for something you said to conan then fine but me and savanah seen you attacking them on the ship after I unperld you for it the first time I tried to talk it out with you all you had to say was have fun with your 12 year old girl friend I was nice to you and helped you with stuff but now I am never gonna trust you again and I lose my faith in this server if you are let off the hook so easy after last time you got let of so easy im done talking now like I said I hope you quit

Okay. So what do the two people... who attacked me first... want for resolution?

I haven't seen or heard of them asking for anything except for basically a mutual cease-fire, which I agree to.

This feels a lot like a  #FreeFynalSlash to me.   

only this time nobody's being dumb enough to vouch for him

...dumb enough? =/ Wow. Okay.

So, my restoration at this point.. is what? To rebuild trust with people who won't talk to or interact with me?
To give reparations to two newbs who aren't on and haven't asked for anything I haven't already given?

"This feels a lot like a  #FreeFynalSlash to me."

This gets the "most fallacious argument of the month" award.

There's so much bullshit fluff and pointless whining in this thread from both sides and it's disgusting and childish. Can someone summarize what the actual problem is?

"whining"

Yeah, no more complaints from me. You want me gone, I'm gone. I'm sorry for the trouble I caused or feelings I hurt. I want to know what else I can do, but as Jonin says there is nothing. Sorry. Peace.

That was more directed toward Jonin than toward you.

FynalSlash personally I don't want you to quit.  I feel like you had a bad day and you just exploded, I loved your stories, which you quickly removed.  I guess you needed someone to rub you on the back yesterday and say dude it's okay, and I think Frozen probably did that.  I have not spoke to conan, not sure anyone did?  To see if she is cool.  You were pretty hard on Jonin and you would need to work something out with him.  some of the things you did we have seen others do before that's why people are like hm wait a bit.  highest destroyer and his sister played in the prison world for a week, and finally people were like okay they really wanna play and freed them.  When you lose trust you can only be consistent to gain it back.  If you have a one day pressuring everyone that is still annoyed and or hurt from the night before, what can i do let me out now, or I quit, and while your in there you are destroying property, then no one really sees any progress or change, actually there is change, but its more in the wrong direction.  We had some jerks that blew up half a city but they figured out what they owed, kept coming on and trying and eventually got freed.  So if you wanted people to be cool with you again then get on be cool, and earn back trust.  That's the advice of the person who was going well maybe we let him out only to find you jacking up MY property.  You wanted to know what you could do well there it is.  TIME.  So balls in your court.  You could fix huge hole you blew in prison world or do something cool.

Well I'm a newcomer so...

The only thing I know about all this issue is Fynal helped me in my first hours on the server.

I understand the kind of conflict this is. I understand the kind of weird pride that takes our minds away when discussing this kind of issues.

I can deduce that Fynal was a productive and nice community member in the past, right? Just before all this stuff.

Everyone can goof and lose ways, but this is a game and it's more fun the more players there are. Why don't we solve this in-game problem in game? Like, I don't know, make him repair the damages, build a 16:1 statue of every victim with a huge glowstone "sorry" sign over them on the prison world and then let him free with a warning.

If he keeps causing problems he can be pearled again.

I was told to attempt to contact the parties whom I'm supposed to have attacked to work this out, and so I have. Sanjuro79 has not responded. They may here. I hope they do. TheAlphaMage46 has said that they're asking for nothing further in terms of reparation. I asked them to confirm this publicly. I assume they have. I will wait in my indefinite detention until otherwise advised. I consider this post sufficient notice and won't message anyone privately about it further unless that conversation is initiated.

im wary of putting my neck out again especially since fynal says i am not his friend..

but he did give lots of people free iron and stuff. maybe that should count for something

It's finally gotten to be enough that I actually made an account here just to post on this thread. I get to see both sides.

In my opinion, it's neither just nor fair to allow someone to be set on a prison planet for longer than necessary. I understand what happened fully, however everyone's taken the time to calm their systems down. Everyone has days when they're not in the best mindset, something I think we can all agree to, and Fynal has done what he can to fix issues. That includes repairing what he has damaged in his attempts to mine on the prison planet. It's been fixed for a while now. In fact, he quit mining the second I told him that there was no ore to be found.

I will admit very openly that I am not one for all this dramatic stuff. It makes my blood pressure skyrocket in such a major way and I try to avoid it as much as I can. That being said, when I watch my husband invest his time so heavily to people, to projects, to anything, only to be locked out and told to basically "take" whatever punishment he's given, it sucks. It sucks because these are people he cares about, a project and ideal that he believes in so much, so dearly that he literally chooses time here over anything else. It also sucks because people that I thought were cool, decent players turned on him viciously and without much care or afterthought. It took all this turning dirt ugly to have people take a breath and realize things can be fixed.

What's an even bigger shame is how others are being treated because of this, and how some people aren't being treated at all. If someone has stolen, lied and has been not only accused of these crimes, but they have been shown to be true, they should be punished as well. It doesn't matter how well liked, disliked, loved or unloved they are. Justice is justice. It can't be doled out to one and not the other.
I have enjoyed playing here and getting to know people when I am on. Each person, before this, was really nice and open. Always willing to help. What was frustrating to me, in all of this, was how it was ignored and still seems to be.

If you want to let him stay there, fine. At least give him a time frame for which he has to stay instead of saying..."Oh, well, we'll wait and see."

This is my two cents on the entire matter and I hope for a resolution. Fynal has been working to achieve that and I see some people trying to give advice as to what to do. It's being done. I'm sure there are ways to check.

In short, let's all work together to find an actual solution to the issue instead of letting someone linger indefinitely. I'm sure no one would enjoy that themselves, no matter what they did/didn't do.

this is the last thing im gonna personally say about this im sry frozen for being a dick but you give what you get and he would have been let out already if this was his first offence this is his 3rd I personally don't trust him and I don't see how anyone else can either

Luckily, Jonin, you don't speak for anyone else.

But if we are going to bring priors into it as an indication of character, then by all means, let's actually get into that instead of just using them as a slag. No matter how bad it is, it is better to quantify these things than to pretend justification for an indefinite and endless detention. You referenced my attacking of lynnch. My bare handed single punch that was resolved, repaid, and settled. Enough so that he saw fit to let me work for him building an iron farm, as I in fact have done for you.

The other was my griefing of an area labeled PUBLIC, which I believed to be abandoned. As I recall, I confessed, apologized, asked where I could turn myself in, went there, and immediately asked what I could do to make it right once I learned otherwise. nixbeast can attest to that, and I'm still willing to help him build whatever he would like, the same as I did the day I was released and agreed to follow him and his orders about that whenever he would like. I even messaged him after the fact to let him know that if he ever wants me to do more, even though I didn't really play on that server, I would make myself available for whatever he wanted.

I've learned the hard way what is and isn't acceptable on the server. I've had bad times.. that no one particularly cared about.. or asked about.. because I have been assigned no actual representation by anyone whose job it is to make sure my side is heard or represented. I literally have no defense, and people have outright said that they would refuse to speak on my behalf. Funnily, had I committed some real life crime in a crap real life statism, I'd at least have appointed defense by now... to point out that a person is not ALL bad and NO good because his current actions were wrong. And they were. And the situation was resolved with Conan days ago. And resolved with the parties I was told I was being held because of, who have asked for no further reparations. Literally, the only thing unresolved at this point is hurt feelings. Are hurt feelings a reason for indefinite imprisonment now? I contend that they are not. I can't apologize any more than I already have. Only time can heal that. There is nothing about the situation which has not already, as the root of the problem, been resolved. Not even my mentality about the matter. ....Which, again, no one has even asked about...

Voluntaryism doesn't mean never doing anything wrong. Nothing human means that. It means always preferring peaceful resolution and non-aggression whenever possible. In every instance, I have always, historically, if we are delving into history, done everything I can to make good and to learn better. You could not factually say otherwise. Let us not pretend now, Jonin, that I'm the one now opposing peaceful resolution.

I have done wrong plenty of times. And I have admitted it was wrong and made reparations. Every time. I am not some wild griefer laughing about it and seeing how much I can get away with. When I have done wrong, I've always confessed to it, done what I could to make it right, tried to listen to the other party and see what restoration was possible. If they were up for it. If you will not reason with me, be clear and just say that. "I refuse to reason with you." Instead of portraying me as the unreasonable party. Because I've already resolved every issue there was with every party involved except for you, and that is sheerly because you outright refuse. But I also refuse to fight with you. I have always preferred reason, even when it was true that I didn't exercise peace as well as I wished or should have. I always preferred it. That much is true. I'm a work in progress. But my efforts are steadfast and sincere. No one for whom that was not true would still be here trying this adamantly. When I stumble, I right myself as I can. You wish to speak to my character through evidences of prior accounts? All of that is true. And everyone who has dealt with me, whether they like me or not, knows it to be true.

you being in prison is about you not me, im not involved in it anymore so stfu and stop acting like your locked up for something you said to me

If you're backpedaling out of your terrorist tactics of conditionally threatening to quit if it was ever determined I'd served my time, made proper reparations and was released, I think that's great. I'd prefer everyone stay, keep playing, and move forward to better days.

But to reiterate the actual point since you seem to have intentionally missed it, there are no parties damaged by my actions who have not already been made whole. If there are, let them come forward so that they may be. There is no reason for recurrence of my actions, since the parties involved have already squared up and made peace.

http://mc.intangir.org/index.php?topic=2955.msg19744;topicseen#new

Yeah. I can't help but notice that it's empty and contains no claims.

This is now my forth day locked up. With no actual restorative claims, just some pissed off people. This is becoming a real life "Charge me or release me" scenario. Either demonstrate some requirement I need to meet and allow me to meet it, or call it square and let me get back to playing having been punished. The trust of some I will never earn back. Not with any amount of time. Those are damages I have to live with now. I accept that. But it's time to move forward.

I agree that resolution one way or another needs to be brought.

It seems all victims of physical damage and property rights violation have been made whole, or have withdrawn.

Please see the post Simon made earlier today (and is linked a few posts back) and post if there are any further grievances.

I would ask whomever holds the pearl to monitor the threads listed for final resolution. 

In my opinion, if 24 hours passes with no further complaint or request, Fynal should be released.  What happens then is up to him.

Personally, I would recommend to Fynal that he should, in the future: use the /ignore feature extensively, keep his hands to himself unless attacked first, and not touch a single block that has been placed and/or modified by another player.  This is not intended as a personal attack in any way, just friendly advice. I was not online when this happened and only know what I was told and read here.

I will have to inspect my shop, verify that actual stone was used to replace stone that was blown up. I second claim is listed on the new thread as well.

Jonin, since as you've pointed out over and over in this thread, none of the reasons for my being held are in any way due to anything to do with you, I'd like my property you were holding for me returned upon release so that I can use it to pay reparations to Savanah and others as needed. (You can keep the Balrog Skull, of course.) Thanks.

But if we are going to bring priors into it as an indication of character, then by all means, let's actually get into that instead of just using them as a slag. No matter how bad it is, it is better to quantify these things than to pretend justification for an indefinite and endless detention. You referenced my attacking of lynnch. My bare handed single punch that was resolved, repaid, and settled. Enough so that he saw fit to let me work for him building an iron farm, as I in fact have done for you.  
** Did you actually finish the iron farm for LordRagnarock?  ******

The other was my griefing of an area labeled PUBLIC, which I believed to be abandoned. As I recall, I confessed, apologized, asked where I could turn myself in, went there, and immediately asked what I could do to make it right once I learned.

*** Just to make clear it is not okay to grief any property you "think or deem abandoned."  I want this noted, because saying oh i thought it was abandoned is not an excuse for griefing.  NC and OC are a joined cities.  We have several players that can not be in two places at once, that does not invalidate a players property rights in any way ***

I've learned the hard way what is and isn't acceptable on the server. I've had bad times.. that no one particularly cared about.. or asked about.. because I have been assigned no actual representation by anyone whose job it is to make sure my side is heard or represented. I literally have no defense, and people have outright said that they would refuse to speak on my behalf. Funnily, had I committed some real life crime in a crap real life statism, I'd at least have appointed defense by now... to point out that a person is not ALL bad and NO good because his current actions were wrong. And they were. And the situation was resolved with Conan days ago. And resolved with the parties I was told I was being held because of, who have asked for no further reparations. Literally, the only thing unresolved at this point is hurt feelings. Are hurt feelings a reason for indefinite imprisonment now? I contend that they are not. I can't apologize any more than I already have. Only time can heal that. There is nothing about the situation which has not already, as the root of the problem, been resolved. Not even my mentality about the matter. ....Which, again, no one has even asked about...

** To clarify, I attempted to assist you when all this starting going wrong, not only did you not want my help you told me "Fuck all of you."  This could have all be resolved at that point and cleared up, but it was your actions that drove a continuous downward spiral of where we are now.  So please see you never had to be in this position in the first place, but you seemed to want to keep pressing to see what would happen, and now you know.  Simon who you said is not your friend created the justice council to keep people from being put in a chest and left.  I do see you playing the marter here and it is not accurate, so stick to the facts thats your best case.  so I am clarifying, you were offered help, and not just by me on day 1, you refused, insulted, continued your path, attacked others, and got Pearled on both maps, so in a statist world you would have been shot and killed on day one and no one would be reading this now.  Know that to be true. Dam statists.  ***

Voluntaryism doesn't mean never doing anything wrong. Nothing human means that. It means always preferring peaceful resolution and non-aggression whenever possible. In every instance, I have always, historically, if we are delving into history, done everything I can to make good and to learn better. You could not factually say otherwise. Let us not pretend now, Jonin, that I'm the one now opposing peaceful resolution.  
** Please realize Voluntaryism means the voluntary interaction between two parties as well **

I have done wrong plenty of times. And I have admitted it was wrong and made reparations. Every time. I am not some wild griefer laughing about it and seeing how much I can get away with. When I have done wrong, I've always confessed to it, done what I could to make it right, tried to listen to the other party and see what restoration was possible. If they were up for it. If you will not reason with me, be clear and just say that. "I refuse to reason with you." Instead of portraying me as the unreasonable party. Because I've already resolved every issue there was with every party involved except for you, and that is sheerly because you outright refuse. But I also refuse to fight with you. I have always preferred reason, even when it was true that I didn't exercise peace as well as I wished or should have. I always preferred it. That much is true. I'm a work in progress. But my efforts are steadfast and sincere. No one for whom that was not true would still be here trying this adamantly. When I stumble, I right myself as I can. You wish to speak to my character through evidences of prior accounts? All of that is true. And everyone who has dealt with me, whether they like me or not, knows it to be true.

** Just clairifying you are admitting repeat offenses, horse murder, destruction of property, and even though you say hey i'm sorry, some times sorry will not be okay, and that is the real story behind what Jonin was trying to say.  Basically what next?  Will you play okay for a week, then destroy property, and ask for restitution, not really forgiveness, just, "Auh, what do I owe you for your crap I broke? a block of iron, here, we good okay bye sucker."  so we do not want that to be the case.  ***

I listed what needs to be done to repay me, because I have a claim!
it doesn't win my trust in any way, it just resolves my loss, so you can move forward.  Time and consistency are the only things that can do that for you, but I'm trying to be honest about it because I am a hard ass, been burned before.    It is a game as our Lovely VBELAC has pointed out to people, folks want you to play, just don't use adult tactics against a 12 year old girl that is the way she is because, hmm maybe her irl isn't so awesome.  On the Internet we never know what someone has to go through in the real world every dam day.  So no PM'ing a minor your adult thoughts, just type /ignore and call it a day.  

he never once told me he was sorry he just continued to blame me over and over for him still being in prison not that I would believe him if he did

- I didn't finish the iron farm because I was never paid or given the supplies to finish it. I'd still be willing to, but I think I'm not welcome on the property.
- I realize this. This is not constructive to post.
- Yes, I am confessing, because I've never not confessed or tried to make good for something I did. I realize that is a necessary but not sufficient requirement, and that my behaviors must change as well, not just my willingness to repair them as I can after the fact. There really isn't more I can do than assure that's happened and attempt to demonstrate it. I can't force anyone to believe it, and I don't really see the point of arguing it if you're determined not to believe it. If you are willing to believe it, then I look forward to convincing you. Otherwise, it seems fruitless to rehash again. I don't want it to be the case either. If you think I should be held for longer, actually specify an amount of time. Indefinitely is more than I would get for anything short of real life murder.
-  Things were patched with Conan days ago. The repairs to your shop area were made days ago. Again, I will repay you as soon as Jonin gives my property back to do so with. His trusting or liking me has nothing whatsoever to do with property rights.

I have, by the way, actually apologized about a dozen times in this thread, Jonin.

On a personal note, no one has really asked or cared what I went through or what my reasons were either. I don't expect you to care now or want to get into it any more with the people here. I'm just saying that point about Conan goes both ways. Yeah, you asked. And then blammed me within seconds when I fired off. No one is playing the martyr or victim or saying I was helpless. But pages of this thread were nothing but me literally just asking for understanding, some sign of friendship, having my wife ask if I had even any reason to keep fighting for this group, any friends here at all.. this has all been pretty damn disheartening for me too. Wanting to see some sign that that fucking matters to any of you is not "martrydom", and dismissing it as that is at least as shitty as killing some in-game horses. (A reparation which, again, has already been resolved and is fruitless to rehash.)

After this, I will leave all that out. I'll stick to my little valley, and I will unobtrusively and privately play the game.

I don't care to argue with you. If you wish to talk, message me in game. I am not going to have a public argument with you. Or grovel for forgiveness you refuse to give. If you wish to have a private discussion about this personal matter, you're free to message me.

this thread is stupid and should be killed off, it's nothing but pointless bickering

use the thread simon made and sort out the facts of what damages have to be mended

It seems to be getting that way Commander, but I have to correct something.
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I did not immediately ban you from global chat.  I informed you I would have to remove you from Global chat if you all did not take the name calling nonsense off global chat.  At that point you REMOVED YOURSELF from Global Chat and sent me a PM saying, " Now you don't have to hold the threat of banning me over my head."  You stayed off Global chat, then next thing I know Jonin is telling me that your QUIT, and you were jumping all your stuff in the chests on the ship for whoever.  After you had finished all of that you left then came back I believe, but it was sometime later you rejoined Global chat to just start back in on Conan, and again I told you to take it off of Global chat, you were calling a little girl a CUNT and telling her she should kill herself or something, basically after the C world that was just enough, you said you quit, dump your belongings and then it just turned into nonsense.

I'm gonna say this for the last dam time Oh YES I totally asked you what happened, I could careless now, but I did then.  I even made comment maybe something back happened irl, maybe you were having a bad day that you were freaking out.  I have more stress than most on here my dad is dieing.   I have Piles of stress for every aspect of my life I can look at.   I mean really but you don't see me freaking out, attacking people, badgering a child, griefing property.  So it is what it is.  We all got problems man.  I will not be posting on this tread anymore. I just wanted the TRUTH to be noted.

Again, I will not be discussing it further via any public venue beyond any constructive and restorative measure, since it has, with all parties involved.. already been settled to the best of my ability at this point. You're free to message me privately about any matter you wish. I will not be publicly arguing my point or entertaining any further tirades about issues I have already addressed.

I will make this last personal note simply because I have no idea who does and doesn't have me on ignore- Regardless of how this all goes for me, I AM sorry for how I acted and spoke to others here. I would like to try to explain if anyone decides they want to hear it, privately. I've been needing someone to talk to anyway. I care about and have invested in all of you here. I'll miss those of you who will no longer interact with me due to my actions. I accept the fault and the consequences for my own actions. Fighting in my own defense or to be able to continue to play doesn't change that.
That's all.

Who holds my pearl on Survey?

I have access to My pearl of you.